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T O P I C R E V I E WScoprioPowerrHi! I'm more older since I've been on this form lol, but I have noticed a few more things about myself.Although I present myself as very happy and friendly, for some reason I feel so detached from other people. I can make conversations and friends easily, but I end up isolating myself or detaching myself from the friendship. I'm entering an age where people are starting to explore relationships and such, but even when it comes to dating I don't see myself committing unless I know they're the one unlike my peers. I'm also scared of being taken control of even though when I read some birthday personality readings, they say I could get very possessive and controlling.Here's my chart:[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/TxS45T4.png[/IMG] and I looked at my dominates and my chart is just excelling in air lol. [IMG]https://imgur.com/a/fdHSq2p[/IMG] I wanna get to know myself more and how I can apply it to the things i'm doing. ------------------Scorpio SunCapricorn MoonCancer RisingLerenaI'm not sure what you're asking about. From your post, you sound Aquarius-influenced and being Air dominant could explain the detachment feeling. Do you want to feel less detached from people?LaceyLeighI think it’s your Saturn in the 11th house, as well as your 4th house placements. I know two people with Saturn in the 11th, neither one feels the need to keep up with friends.OdetteDo you feel like it would be too much of a responsibility or “chore” to get so close to someone... or that they might take over your life, unless you set clear boundaries? Aries23DegreesWhat are you hiding? ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:What are you hiding? Nothing in all honesty. I'm pretty direct with my friends and familyScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by Lerena:I'm not sure what you're asking about. From your post, you sound Aquarius-influenced and being Air dominant could explain the detachment feeling. Do you want to feel less detached from people?No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot. ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by Odette:Do you feel like it would be too much of a responsibility or “chore” to get so close to someone... or that they might take over your life, unless you set clear boundaries? Now that I saw this, I had a friendship years ago and the person (she was a Taurus) was so constricting and possessive about our friendship. She wouldn't let me hang out with anyone. I think it comes just from past experiance, and like you said, the fact that they might try to constrict me again unless I set boundaries. ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:I think it’s your Saturn in the 11th house, as well as your 4th house placements. I know two people with Saturn in the 11th, neither one feels the need to keep up with friends.Yeah I feel the same way. I wanna keep up with them but if I didn't feel a friendship 'conntection' i'd say, then I would slowly let the friendship breakmirage29[QUOTE]Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr:Here's my chart: and I looked at my dominates and my chart is just excelling in air lol. Hi ScoprioPowerr! Energizing your chart by removing the 's' from http.ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by mirage29:[QUOTE]Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr:Here's my chart: and I looked at my dominates and my chart is just excelling in air lol. Hi ScoprioPowerr! Energizing your chart by removing the 's' from http.Oh! Thank you sorry lol! I was trying to figure it outLerena quote:Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr: No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot. I know how you feel, because I feel like I'm different from everyone too. It can be isolating at times, but I like being able to stray from established norms. Not all established norms are healthy or right and most people make me feel like I have to hide important parts of myself just to maintain a friendship. It's exhausting to put up a front to have a social life. I'd rather stay distant from everyone, because getting close to someone isn't worth it if I can't be myself.Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr: Nothing in all honesty. I'm pretty direct with my friends and familyYou have a lot of Neptune/Uranus aspects to your Sun and Moon.This can make any person feel disconnected and detached.Add to that;Mars/Ic conjunct and Mars trine Moon- prickly to the touch. Draconic Asc is in Aries and 1 degree point (potent) I.e I go my way.All the above can have you run solo a lot or struggle to collaborate.Its the Draco Moon in Libra/Moon opp Asc that is pushing for a more "partnership oriented" outlook.As much as you are a lone ranger. You want a partner in crime.LalafortunaeaI've got some things going on in my own 11th house, so, I get where you're coming from in a way. However, when and if I meet someone worthwhile, I can flip the switch and genuinely bond and become intimate. Intimacy is more than just touching and kissing. Intimacy is sharing anything and everything, without that detachment. But on the whole, I prefer solitude. As baffling as it may be to consider, being detached can be, unconsciously, used as a power game. It is possible that you remain detached, which means you have the upper hand in all relationships, and won't get too attached, and if anything goes wrong, you won't be as badly marked. (or worse, actually find a good thing)The detachment also helps you remain free of responsibility, which you feel would be constricting. It goes right back around to what Aries said (about hiding), it's got a fear component to it. Whether you realize it or not. That Saturn placement tells of a lot of unconscious fears. We can't really brush aside you being afraid so easily. Of course, everyone has some fear, some hesitancy when it comes to friendship and love. Perhaps it is more that you are also very detached from yourself, and some of your own hidden feelings as well, to stop yourself from something?Empty SpacesI've talked to aquarius people and people with strong uranus on their charts a couple times and many of them clamed to feel the same thing you are describing.We have talked about how we feel detached from people and how we are used to feeling different and like an outsider everywhere we go.I don't know why we feel that way but I think that sometimes we unconsciously cut the emotional ties from people or put a barrier that they can't enter.How?I never figured out.It's like you want to feel the connection but you don't.ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:I've got some things going on in my own 11th house, so, I get where you're coming from in a way. However, when and if I meet someone worthwhile, I can flip the switch and genuinely bond and become intimate. Intimacy is more than just touching and kissing. Intimacy is sharing anything and everything, without that detachment. But on the whole, I prefer solitude. As baffling as it may be to consider, being detached can be, unconsciously, used as a power game. It is possible that you remain detached, which means you have the upper hand in all relationships, and won't get too attached, and if anything goes wrong, you won't be as badly marked. (or worse, actually find a good thing)The detachment also helps you remain free of responsibility, which you feel would be constricting. It goes right back around to what Aries said, it's got a fear component to it. Whether you realize it or not. That Saturn placement tells of a lot of unconscious fears. We can't really brush aside you being afraid so easily. Of course, everyone has some fear, some hesitancy when it comes to friendship and love. Perhaps it is more that you are also very detached from yourself, and some of your own hidden feelings as well, to stop yourself from something?Maybe you're right, and I probably just have to work to recognize it! I know I have many hidden potentials, and i'm still working on getting there as well. Like even a few months ago, I think I found a calling where I can help people. I'm not sure how, but I need to know that i'm making a positive outcome in the world.I wanna say the problem could be trauma for childhood? I was bullied and I explained above that I had a friend, and I was literally constricted in the friendship. I've always had friendships where I was pushed around you could say? So I don't want to be taken advantage of. I've noticed that it started to hurt me as well in high school. As you said, I can flip the switch so easily. ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by Lerena: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr:[b] No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot. I know how you feel, because I feel like I'm different from everyone too. It can be isolating at times, but I like being able to stray from established norms. Not all established norms are healthy or right and most people make me feel like I have to hide important parts of myself just to maintain a friendship. It's exhausting to put up a front to have a social life. I'd rather stay distant from everyone, because getting close to someone isn't worth it if I can't be myself.[/B][/QUOTE]Oh my goodness exactly! Even when I left my institution, everyone remained in contact but I couldn't. I wasn't close to you so why should I start now? I can't stand hypocrisy and fakeness in others. If I don't feel myself with them, I just start distancing myself. ScoprioPowerr quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:I've talked to aquarius people and people with strong uranus on their charts a couple times and many of them clamed to feel the same thing you are describing.We have talked about how we feel detached from people and how we are used to feeling different and like an outsider everywhere we go.I don't know why we feel that way but I think that sometimes we unconsciously cut the emotional ties from people or put a barrier that they can't enter.How?I never figured out.It's like you want to feel the connection but you don't.Yeah! I don't know, my chart is so Scorpio and Moon dominated as well, but Uranus and Aquarius are my dominance and they literally affect how I communicate. I'm always smiling because that's just how I am but it's so hard for me to find 'real connections.' I also have a strict upbringing so i'm not able to do many stuff with my peers like others. I'm wondering tho: wouldn't my jupiter balance it out?Kannon McAfeeIt's obviously your Moon in Capricorn. Plus it is conjunct Neptune. Learn about that, how to warm up to people, but enough on your terms that you feel you are protected (there may be subconscious reasons you feel the need for that). Air is social, not detached emotionally in the way you describe, but you don't have air dominance in your chart anyway. Only 3 planets in air signs, none of them personals.Only if your Asc (sign and degree) is different from what is displayed in the chart you've shown do you have anything resembling air or Uranus strongly affecting you/your chart. Which would not surprise me, since the neither of the loka planets (Sun, Saturn) are aligned with this Cancer rising chart. ------------------"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan WattsSoul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert RectificationMoonMysticScorpiopowerrI'm a complete novice but your initial mention of feeling "detached" compelled me to to peek at your chart.(I have some awkward/detatched energy in my natal).(Please forgive me if any of these were previously mentioned) Iir this past eclipse was 4° Aqua., with your Neptune near that, you could be very sensitive now to these energies, emotionally. I skimmed and think there was mention on your Pluto being influence by the G.C. which is like the black hole of the chart, no escape. What's fortunate is the 5th house might be a balance with that and jovial Sag ruling it. Maybe you like tongue in cheek or dark humour?I wonder if you're 5th house has a lot to do with it?Scorpio is pretty difficult to warm up to others and not only do you have your Sun there but it's the house of Fun! Which the dark side of Scorpio (this is fixed therefore it feels like concrete), me thinks this is a side to you that feel Jekyll/ hyde like? (Not in a heinous way of course) You want to be warm and fuzzy yet it's so difficult.Next, your Saturn (disciplinary planet)in your 11th (groups of friends) trines your Moon (trust, secret vulnerabilities) in your house of 'other' and they connect with Mars (+ lC). You might have deep fears that come from the past holding you back?Saturn is also near the 7 sisters (Pleiades) which can have a negative flow at times.Which the two energies (Jupiter and Venus) that could liberate this heavy planetary influence which leads to the detachment, are opposing eachother. I don't believe you're imagining your feeling of detachment. Have you looked at your progressed charts?Hopefully this energy is ebbing and flowing with your transits. (I completely understand too) I can see with all the current retrog. energy, you might be wishing some release from this feeling.I hope you'll find a way around it!*hugs*kani quote:Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr: No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot. but you have no personal planets in Aqua, just generational so I doubt that that is what makes you feel different from people from your generation jjjYour sun squares to Uranus and Neptune add the undependant/loner feelCap moon can give depression /loneliness/difficulties relating to womenSag Venus is extremely independant, freedom loving plus conjunction to Chiron gives a person who has love/social woundCap-ruled 7th house makes one to long for serious relationships; meaningful relationships come w difficulties/in older age As a side note in draco chart we all have AC in 1 aries, coffeecuriosityi've got saturn in the 11th and mars in the 4th house toomy thing is the emotional labour. i'm not interested in doing it when it comes to romantic relationships, as a female, its a topical issue the amount of emotional labour women do .. i'm not and i refuse to. (i've done my share in my childhood and teen years)with friendships - i'm a big individualist so i've got a big of a problem with groups. i don't like the hive mind it scares me , i don't like the assumed sacrifice of the self to make everyone comfortable, i don't like the emotional labour that goes to navigating the weaving around everyone's insecurities. i can do it, i can fake it so well but i can't sustain it.i can be respectful, polite, thing like that, but i can't cut pieces of myself off to conform to the group.
Although I present myself as very happy and friendly, for some reason I feel so detached from other people. I can make conversations and friends easily, but I end up isolating myself or detaching myself from the friendship. I'm entering an age where people are starting to explore relationships and such, but even when it comes to dating I don't see myself committing unless I know they're the one unlike my peers. I'm also scared of being taken control of even though when I read some birthday personality readings, they say I could get very possessive and controlling.
Here's my chart:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/TxS45T4.png[/IMG]
and I looked at my dominates and my chart is just excelling in air lol.
[IMG]https://imgur.com/a/fdHSq2p[/IMG]
I wanna get to know myself more and how I can apply it to the things i'm doing.
------------------Scorpio SunCapricorn MoonCancer Rising
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:What are you hiding?
Nothing in all honesty. I'm pretty direct with my friends and family
quote:Originally posted by Lerena:I'm not sure what you're asking about. From your post, you sound Aquarius-influenced and being Air dominant could explain the detachment feeling. Do you want to feel less detached from people?
No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot.
quote:Originally posted by Odette:Do you feel like it would be too much of a responsibility or “chore” to get so close to someone... or that they might take over your life, unless you set clear boundaries?
Now that I saw this, I had a friendship years ago and the person (she was a Taurus) was so constricting and possessive about our friendship. She wouldn't let me hang out with anyone. I think it comes just from past experiance, and like you said, the fact that they might try to constrict me again unless I set boundaries.
quote:Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:I think it’s your Saturn in the 11th house, as well as your 4th house placements. I know two people with Saturn in the 11th, neither one feels the need to keep up with friends.
Yeah I feel the same way. I wanna keep up with them but if I didn't feel a friendship 'conntection' i'd say, then I would slowly let the friendship break
Hi ScoprioPowerr! Energizing your chart by removing the 's' from http.
quote:Originally posted by mirage29:[QUOTE]Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr:Here's my chart: and I looked at my dominates and my chart is just excelling in air lol. Hi ScoprioPowerr! Energizing your chart by removing the 's' from http.
Oh! Thank you sorry lol! I was trying to figure it out
quote:Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr: No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot.
quote:Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr: Nothing in all honesty. I'm pretty direct with my friends and family
You have a lot of Neptune/Uranus aspects to your Sun and Moon.This can make any person feel disconnected and detached.
Add to that;
Mars/Ic conjunct and Mars trine Moon- prickly to the touch.
Draconic Asc is in Aries and 1 degree point (potent) I.e I go my way.
All the above can have you run solo a lot or struggle to collaborate.
Its the Draco Moon in Libra/Moon opp Asc that is pushing for a more "partnership oriented" outlook.
As much as you are a lone ranger. You want a partner in crime.
As baffling as it may be to consider, being detached can be, unconsciously, used as a power game.
It is possible that you remain detached, which means you have the upper hand in all relationships, and won't get too attached, and if anything goes wrong, you won't be as badly marked. (or worse, actually find a good thing)
The detachment also helps you remain free of responsibility, which you feel would be constricting.
It goes right back around to what Aries said (about hiding), it's got a fear component to it. Whether you realize it or not. That Saturn placement tells of a lot of unconscious fears.
We can't really brush aside you being afraid so easily. Of course, everyone has some fear, some hesitancy when it comes to friendship and love. Perhaps it is more that you are also very detached from yourself, and some of your own hidden feelings as well, to stop yourself from something?
quote:Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:I've got some things going on in my own 11th house, so, I get where you're coming from in a way. However, when and if I meet someone worthwhile, I can flip the switch and genuinely bond and become intimate. Intimacy is more than just touching and kissing. Intimacy is sharing anything and everything, without that detachment. But on the whole, I prefer solitude. As baffling as it may be to consider, being detached can be, unconsciously, used as a power game. It is possible that you remain detached, which means you have the upper hand in all relationships, and won't get too attached, and if anything goes wrong, you won't be as badly marked. (or worse, actually find a good thing)The detachment also helps you remain free of responsibility, which you feel would be constricting. It goes right back around to what Aries said, it's got a fear component to it. Whether you realize it or not. That Saturn placement tells of a lot of unconscious fears. We can't really brush aside you being afraid so easily. Of course, everyone has some fear, some hesitancy when it comes to friendship and love. Perhaps it is more that you are also very detached from yourself, and some of your own hidden feelings as well, to stop yourself from something?
It goes right back around to what Aries said, it's got a fear component to it. Whether you realize it or not. That Saturn placement tells of a lot of unconscious fears.
Maybe you're right, and I probably just have to work to recognize it! I know I have many hidden potentials, and i'm still working on getting there as well. Like even a few months ago, I think I found a calling where I can help people. I'm not sure how, but I need to know that i'm making a positive outcome in the world.
I wanna say the problem could be trauma for childhood? I was bullied and I explained above that I had a friend, and I was literally constricted in the friendship. I've always had friendships where I was pushed around you could say? So I don't want to be taken advantage of. I've noticed that it started to hurt me as well in high school. As you said, I can flip the switch so easily.
quote:Originally posted by Lerena: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ScoprioPowerr:[b] No I want to feel close to people, but I feel like I'm so different from everyone. But I think you're right about being Aquarius influenced a lot.
Oh my goodness exactly! Even when I left my institution, everyone remained in contact but I couldn't. I wasn't close to you so why should I start now? I can't stand hypocrisy and fakeness in others. If I don't feel myself with them, I just start distancing myself.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:I've talked to aquarius people and people with strong uranus on their charts a couple times and many of them clamed to feel the same thing you are describing.We have talked about how we feel detached from people and how we are used to feeling different and like an outsider everywhere we go.I don't know why we feel that way but I think that sometimes we unconsciously cut the emotional ties from people or put a barrier that they can't enter.How?I never figured out.It's like you want to feel the connection but you don't.
Yeah! I don't know, my chart is so Scorpio and Moon dominated as well, but Uranus and Aquarius are my dominance and they literally affect how I communicate. I'm always smiling because that's just how I am but it's so hard for me to find 'real connections.' I also have a strict upbringing so i'm not able to do many stuff with my peers like others. I'm wondering tho: wouldn't my jupiter balance it out?
Air is social, not detached emotionally in the way you describe, but you don't have air dominance in your chart anyway. Only 3 planets in air signs, none of them personals.
Only if your Asc (sign and degree) is different from what is displayed in the chart you've shown do you have anything resembling air or Uranus strongly affecting you/your chart. Which would not surprise me, since the neither of the loka planets (Sun, Saturn) are aligned with this Cancer rising chart.
------------------"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts
Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert Rectification
(Please forgive me if any of these were previously mentioned)
Iir this past eclipse was 4° Aqua., with your Neptune near that, you could be very sensitive now to these energies, emotionally.
I skimmed and think there was mention on your Pluto being influence by the G.C. which is like the black hole of the chart, no escape. What's fortunate is the 5th house might be a balance with that and jovial Sag ruling it. Maybe you like tongue in cheek or dark humour?
I wonder if you're 5th house has a lot to do with it?Scorpio is pretty difficult to warm up to others and not only do you have your Sun there but it's the house of Fun! Which the dark side of Scorpio (this is fixed therefore it feels like concrete), me thinks this is a side to you that feel Jekyll/ hyde like? (Not in a heinous way of course) You want to be warm and fuzzy yet it's so difficult.
Next, your Saturn (disciplinary planet)in your 11th (groups of friends) trines your Moon (trust, secret vulnerabilities) in your house of 'other' and they connect with Mars (+ lC). You might have deep fears that come from the past holding you back?Saturn is also near the 7 sisters (Pleiades) which can have a negative flow at times.Which the two energies (Jupiter and Venus) that could liberate this heavy planetary influence which leads to the detachment, are opposing eachother. I don't believe you're imagining your feeling of detachment. Have you looked at your progressed charts?Hopefully this energy is ebbing and flowing with your transits. (I completely understand too) I can see with all the current retrog. energy, you might be wishing some release from this feeling.I hope you'll find a way around it!*hugs*
but you have no personal planets in Aqua, just generational so I doubt that that is what makes you feel different from people from your generation
As a side note in draco chart we all have AC in 1 aries,
my thing is the emotional labour. i'm not interested in doing it when it comes to romantic relationships, as a female, its a topical issue the amount of emotional labour women do .. i'm not and i refuse to. (i've done my share in my childhood and teen years)
with friendships - i'm a big individualist so i've got a big of a problem with groups. i don't like the hive mind it scares me , i don't like the assumed sacrifice of the self to make everyone comfortable, i don't like the emotional labour that goes to navigating the weaving around everyone's insecurities. i can do it, i can fake it so well but i can't sustain it.
i can be respectful, polite, thing like that, but i can't cut pieces of myself off to conform to the group.
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